The applications for my apprentice position closed on February 28th so I'm looking through the applicants now.
And the number of people who proudly mention that they like gaming in their CVs is flabbergasting
And the number of people who proudly mention that they like gaming in their CVs is flabbergasting
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@quad When I see something like that on a resume I make a point of asking about what they're enjoying. So far I've been unimpressed with the answers. (Trash taste is not disqualifying, but if they can't engage in that conversation after putting that on their resume I'm not going to hold out much hope for their ability to communicate with customers)
@quad It's a little different in coffee, but kind of similar. I don't expect anybody to know how to do the job until after some on the job training, but conversations are core to doing the job well.
@neal I guess coffee and IT can be surprisingly alike in that sense.
You can't really learn much, if anything, at school. It can be incredibly expensive or confusing to learn as a hobby. And self-taught people on the job can be better than most pros.
There's probably a fair number of other industries where that can apply too
You can't really learn much, if anything, at school. It can be incredibly expensive or confusing to learn as a hobby. And self-taught people on the job can be better than most pros.
There's probably a fair number of other industries where that can apply too
@kumicota @neal In many countries you just won't even get called in to an interview for your first job without having gone to uni or something.
Heck the US are pretty infamous for this, everyone goes into debt to get pointless diplomas. Many probably don't need the education, but still need to get the pointless paper just to stand a chance at getting their first job.
In practice almost anyone can do IT, with enough interest
Heck the US are pretty infamous for this, everyone goes into debt to get pointless diplomas. Many probably don't need the education, but still need to get the pointless paper just to stand a chance at getting their first job.
In practice almost anyone can do IT, with enough interest
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owo give me a job quad
Joking aside, I'm lucky because my CS graduation is totally free so I don't fill myself in debts to do it but still is a useless thing to almost kill yourself in study just to get a better job
But nice, getting from an full employer to manager isn't that simple to do
owo give me a job quad
Joking aside, I'm lucky because my CS graduation is totally free so I don't fill myself in debts to do it but still is a useless thing to almost kill yourself in study just to get a better job
But nice, getting from an full employer to manager isn't that simple to do
@critical @kumicota @neal As long as you finished Norwegian high school before getting your diploma at uni, sure.
Apprenticeships are legally defined in Norway as a work period (usually two years) after school as part of your education.
You do two years of school, two years as an apprentice, then you get your diploma, and after that you can work a regular position
Apprenticeships are legally defined in Norway as a work period (usually two years) after school as part of your education.
You do two years of school, two years as an apprentice, then you get your diploma, and after that you can work a regular position
@kumicota @critical @neal In Norway they’re vocational.
You finish basic school, the starting with high-school (or upper secondary as it’s officially translated, year 11 of school) you pick a specialization: https://www.udir.no/in-english/norwegian-vocational-education-and-training/
You finish basic school, the starting with high-school (or upper secondary as it’s officially translated, year 11 of school) you pick a specialization: https://www.udir.no/in-english/norwegian-vocational-education-and-training/
@kumicota @critical @neal You can either do general studies and then proceed to do stuff like Uni.
Or you can pick an industry, then you (usually) do two years of that at school, then two years as an apprentice https://www.udir.no/in-english/norwegian-vocational-education-and-training/
Or you can pick an industry, then you (usually) do two years of that at school, then two years as an apprentice https://www.udir.no/in-english/norwegian-vocational-education-and-training/
@quad @neal @kumicota Rationally Speaking 202 - Bryan Caplan on "The Case Against Education"
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@quad @kumicota @neal By portfolio I meant some applications that would interest the target employer rather than your own hobby and games apps. Something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC483DTjRXU
@quad @kumicota @neal Here is another way to get a first job that depends simply on passing a rigorous test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxUZ4x22Z7A
@RobertCardwell @quad @neal I don't know a lot of modern web-UI development, but I think I could do this without too much trouble with nodejs, go or even C#. I'll plan and to this project idea
@kumicota @neal @quad There's a latter video on the same channel where one of his students explains his implementation of the bug tracker. The use of C# is because the channel guy believes it is the most marketable to study for someone starting out. Node.js might be a good alternative, from what I've seen of it (it is fast), and certainly leverages a prior knowledge of javascript.
@RobertCardwell @neal @quad I think it depends mostly of the region, here in Brazil I'm seeing more the use of nodejs + react in most fullstack jobs and c# and Java when it is app based or backend only jobs
In the world of IT the only thing that matters tends to be interest and engagement.
You could have the best grades in your class. But if you don't keep track for a year or two you're left in the dust. On the other hand you might not even have gone to school, but crush most people with a master's degree due to your free-time knowledge